Really Funny Liberal Suggests Executions for Rove and Libby
Franken Proposes Executions on Letterman
Hey, all you liberals...Al Franken must be reading your blogs! Doesn't that make you feel special? He proposes something some of you have suggested...executions for government officials. He does have some misgivings about executing a sitting president, though. That's nice.
Some call it satire; I call it criminal. As to what mode of execution, we'll have to wait with baited breath; he's such a fount of good ideas! Can anyone say reign of terror?
posted by Underground Logician @ 10:49 PM
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16 Comments:
Given the fact that terrorist actually use beheadings to kill prisoners--I find the whole "let's execute the president and other government officals" in really bad taste.
Right on, girl!
More than poor taste, Sadie Lou, it is immoral, extremely negligent and criminal on CBS' part in general, and Letterman specifically, to use this extreme malice of this lisping "comedian" to go unchecked as a means for laughs, especially in lieu of executing government officials including our president. It will show us the immoral depths our country has plummeted if this incident is received as acceptable by the majority of Americans.
Yes, Isabella, if you are scanning this post for ways that justify your feeding us your antipathy, I said moral, which implies a God who sets the moral standards, which any atheist, though for no reason whatsoever other than they like the fact of being moral and HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO SO, would also find Al Franken's statements objectionable.
It's called satire.
And Clinton was the recipient of a ton of it during his special prosecutor investigations.
Were you also outraged? No. I'm sure you got belly laughs from all the humor making Clinton look like a fool.
Did you think it was immoral for Jerry Falwell to sell videos accusing the Clintons of being drug pushers and murderers?
When you can prove to me that you were outraged at what was done to the Clintons, I'll take your injured feelings seriously.
There is nothing "immoral" in satire.
Ever hear of Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal?"
Google it.
And get over yourself.
And here's what Franken actually said:
(sadie lou, where did you get your information that Franken advocated beheadings? Evidence, please?)
http://newsbusters.org/node/2424
"And so basically, what it looks like is going to happen is that Libby and Karl Rove are going to be executed” because “outing a CIA agent is treason,” left-wing author and radio talk show host Al Franken asserted Friday night, to audience laughter, on CBS’s Late Show with David Letterman.
Franken qualified his hard-edged satire: "Yeah. And I don't know how I feel about it because I'm basically against the death penalty, but they are going to be executed it looks like."
Franken later suggested that President Bush is at risk of receiving the same punishment, since Karl Rove likely told him what he did, but he added a caveat: “I think, by the way, that we should never ever, ever, ever execute a sitting President."
Get your facts straight before you go off half cocked. Mmm'kay?
And could you two please point out in Franken's quote where he actually says "Let's execute the president? Or Rove? Or Libby?
He ACTUALLY says "...it looks like..."
Saying "it looks like" something is going to happen is NOT the same as saying "we should execute so and so."
"It looks like it's gonna rain."
is not the same as:
"We are having a category 5 hurricane!"
Isabella, you're an angry person.
UL--
There is a point in which satire will cross a line. I don't think we should be so stuffy as to not be able to laugh at ourselves and political humor is always a breath of fresh air when things are getting too serious. However, I find that talking about executions during war time--especially when Americans and others HAVE died in this manner, it's disrespectful.
Some people will go to any lengths for a laugh--next we'll be making sport of the mentally challenged or the elderly...oh wait, that's been covered.
Nothing is sacred.
How 'bout a satire on 9/11? People are pretty much over the shock of terrorists flying airplanes into the Two Towers, so it's free game, right? The libs are pretty much over the devestation, from the looks of it, so it's an open market. Someone should call Al and Michael Moore and they could make it a duel project.
sadie lou,
I'm not angry at all. You cannot know, through typed words, what my demeanor or state of mind is.
sadie lou said:
"The libs are pretty much over the devestation, from the looks of it, so it's an open market. Someone should call Al and Michael Moore and they could make it a duel project.
You make a genralization "The libs are pretty much over the devestation..." of 9/11.
Do you know every liberal in the United States? And you have personal knowledge of their emotions over it? Wow!
And what do you mean by "...it's an open market?" Will the libs who are pretty much over the devastation now try to cash in on it? Please enlighten me.
And I doubt that Franken and Moore will ever fight a "duel" over anything.
A 41 year old man, husband and father of 3 children that I had known for 25 years, died in the towers on 9/11. He worked for Cantor Fitzgerald.
And this "lib" isn't "over it."
Isabella:
Must like that Franken guy, huh? Sorry to have touched a nerve.
Oh, yes, I do remember that word satire; it's kind of fuzzy with all that hazy logic floating in my brain.
As to this UL laughing at the Clinton satire...huh? Your argument is as sound as a castle in mid-air.
As to being outraged against Falwell and the Mena Arkansas connection tapes, what would you accept as proof of my outrage? Want me to outraged now? Want me to get really, really, really angry now and curse Falwell to hell as proof to you that my outrage now is sincere? This is a nifty little ad hominem tactic won't work. Plus, Isabella, I don't feel any compulsion to prove myself to you. Your good opinion of me is of no concern to me. Why don't you get over yourself!
Did any conservative comedian use satire in proposing the execution Web Hubbel or any of Clinton's shady staffers? If they did, what I said that applies to Franken applies to them as well. How about castrating Clinton like some wacked lefties want for Cheney. How about "Assassinate Clinton" signs and posters like there are for Bush? I don't see you "Progressively Erupting" over it. If what Franken-stein did is harmless satire to you, then you have a sick brand of it.
As to pointing out where Franken says "Let's execute...," do you realize that the straw man fallacies that you continuously fabricate against me are useless? You may push over straw-men, but not me. Franken proposes the idea of executions of Libby and Rove. He's not Mr. Innocent reporting the damn news! I saw the transcript too. I didn't say he wants them executed. You've put meaning to what I said.
I think Sadie Lou is right. You seem really irked. Check your displaced anger at the door, or you'll be talking to the hand.
UL,
I don't know where you get the idea that I'm angry. I'm rebutting what you've posted. Maybe you should check why you characterize my rebuttals as anger?
And I read in David Brock's book, "Blinded by the Right" that Ann Coulter said, during Clinton's Monica scandal, that he should be "impeached or killed."
It's in the book. I don't have it with me, but that was a pretty unambiguous statement by her.
Just as you rightly corrected me when I erroneously said Clinton's numbers never went below 40, I'm doing the same.
I still maintain that Franken's statements do not advocate murder.
You don't like him, so it suits you to believe he encourages murder.
Al Franken is a comedian, Ann Coulter is a Yale (I believe) educated lawyer and political commentator--she's not paid to be funny, but by Jove, she unintentionally is.
Talk about hitting a nerve? Eh?
Sad isn't it how this administration has so split this country into two camps. So sad. Especially when Bush promised to be a uniter and not a divider.
Another broken promise...
"I don't know where you get the idea that I'm angry. I'm rebutting what you've posted. Maybe you should check why you characterize my rebuttals as anger?"
and get over yourself.
Get your facts straight before you go off half cocked. Mmm'kay?
Calm, level headed individuals don't post three times in a row and say things to people like the statements in bold. You couldn't post on UL's blog in a respectful manner if your very life depended on it. How do I know this? Because of your obvious lack of effort in doing so. You wear your chip on your shoulder like a badge. You don't even know us and yet you speak to us like we are second class citizens compared to the likes of you and your brood.
I wish UL would take a cue from me and stop encouraging these debates with you. Nobody should have to defend themselves against a person who uses contempt as a means of communicating.
sadie lou,
This is UL's blog, not yours. He and I have these discussions on his blog not yours.
He and I differ, but I do not insult him. He has heard me say that I admire his intelligence. We get into heated debate, but that's because both of us feel strongly about our points of view.
UL also understands, quite well, that I use rhetorical devices when I argue. And he seems to be intellectually equipped to handle what I throw at him. And he does this very well.
If UL wants to ban me, he can do so. But that is up to him, not you.
I do not go to your blog to debate because I know you do not welcome me there.
Now since you impute that I'm unbalanced or an angry person because I come here to debate so often, may I ask what your motivations are for coming here just as often and imposing yourself in a discussion between UL and me?
By the way, have you read any American history? If so, you would know that what goes on here in debating politics is child's play compared with how the Founding Fathers fought with each other over differences of political ideas.
Now since you impute that I'm unbalanced or an angry person because I come here to debate so often, may I ask what your motivations are for coming here just as often and imposing yourself in a discussion between UL and me?
Right on, girl!
More than poor taste, Sadie Lou, it is immoral, extremely negligent and criminal on CBS' part in general...
Let's all have a time out.
I really don't mind the debates Sadie Lou. I also know that some of the things that Isabella says really irks you. And sometimes I get irked. Okay. I have a theory. Stuff like this is good in that we unload what we think. We get responses back, some good, some not. We are challenged to think and perhaps hone our arguments, or drop them. Sometimes it's just good to refrain from comment. We pick our battles. This is the arena where we test our mettle, and it's good.
So, when Isabella makes a statement that is strictly opinion, that our current administration has polarized the country, I know she's overgeneralizing by using a False Cause Fallacy, but my saying so isn't going to change anything. Yet, George Bush is a polarizing figure. He's taken us to Afhganistan and Iraq. Iraq isn't really going so swimmingly, is it? We must stay the course. Our servicemen and women are getting killed, which we DON'T want. Frankly, I think the man has GOT to get a grip on the PR here. He's holding back and taking arrows, which really rankles me. I think he put Harriet Miers in a place where she shouldn't have been placed. He wimped out and chose her instead of someone who is strongly conservative. He just doesn't want to fight, in my opinion. So, I'm saying this because the President of the United States can shake things up a bit.
On the contrary, my saying that Al Franken's statements were criminal was over the top, but I was pissed at him. So Isabella had a point, it was satire. A really sick stupid, and wierd brand of it, but it's satire. That's "Stuart Smalley" for ya. I promise not to use the guillotine on him when George Bush sets up his Christain Theocracy. Fair enough Isabella? *LOL*
I'm kidding! I'm also tired and a bit punchy. I've been doing too much studying lately.
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