Thursday, December 01, 2005

Alright, Joe!!!

Joe Lieberman'd WSJ Editorial: We Must Keep the Troops in Irag

An excellent article by the better half of the Gore/Lieberman 2000 Presidential Ticket. He lists some of the good things that have occured in Iraq that would be jeopardized should we withdraw our troops prematurely. He also gives us an interesting poll taken in Iraq regarding their confidence in Iraq's future.

This is a welcome article during these times of rampant sedition and treasous activity both in our media and with politicos. Oh, by the way, I have a quote here from one of the greatest Presidents of all time. I wonder what would happen if politicos took this statement seriously:

"Congressman who willfully take actions in wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged." --Abraham Lincoln

Al Franken wasn't that far off, he needed to just turn to his left.


At 10:29 AM, Blogger Saur♥Kraut said...

I've always admired Joe Liebermann and I've always said that I'd work on his campaign if he ever chose to run again. That is, if he wasn't running against Elizabeth Dole (my fantasy candidate).

But I just don't think we need to stay there. Glad they're doing well...send a postcard, instead.

I think we should've gone in there, don't get me wrong.

But it only makes sense to go in and clean out a nest of yellowjackets if they're posing a threat to us.

But are we obligated to sit around and teach them to be kinder, gentler yellowjackets? Not in my opinion.

At 1:16 PM, Blogger Chris said...

I too like Lieberman. I don't always agree with him, but in this instance I do. I think we have to stay in Iraq until the Iraqis setup their own government, which will hopefully be in December.

Also, just because someone disagees with this war, it does not make their actions treasonous or anti-American. I know many military people, some in Iraq right now, who do not think we should be there and think Bush was very wrong for invading.

One last thing. I am new to this site and have enjoyed the discussion. It also appears that UL is an academic as well, which requires that scholarly attention be paid to quotes and claims and given the proper citation. The Lincoln quote on this site is not in any way attributed to Lincoln at all.

A quick reference to the collected works of Lincoln yields no results when directly citing the quote. The single word "saboteurs" is not once cited in any work produced of Lincoln.

The best known reference to the quote is in a dubious pamphlet from circa 1863 that was designed to promote the war effort especially in the North where it was not widely supported. The pamphlet was known to be more of a pop-culture leaflet and Lincoln never once contributed to its writings.

Lincoln's writings can be sourced here:

At 2:10 PM, Blogger Underground Logician said...


Thank you for the correction. I will look into it.

At 2:39 PM, Blogger chancuff said...

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale & undermine the military are saboteurs & should be arrested, exiled, or hanged." - President Abraham Lincoln

Lincoln never said this. Ever. This quote is a fabrication of Dr. J. Michael Waller who first wrote it in 2003 shortly before the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth gave it life in 2004.

I have two original King & Baird pamphlets in my collection, the identical pamphlet Waller sites as his proof. Lincoln never wrote anything like this ... here, or anywhere else.

How pathetic has the Republican Party become that it insults the reputation of America's finest Republican president for their political gain?

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

At 5:59 PM, Blogger chancuff said...

I can't say enough good things about what Brooks Jackson did with my original TRUTH FROM AN HONEST MAN pamphlet I loaned him.

My great, great, grandfather, who I am named in honor of, made the supreme sacrifice for our country in Lincoln's Union Army serving Stonewall Jackson his only defeat in the Civil War.

Diana Irey has "cut&run" from her use of this Lincoln quote. Write her "handler" at and ask him.

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too


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